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allison

96 neighbors want 24 hour BART in Oakland.

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"Right now there's a gap of about four hours between when the last trains of the day leave, usually around midnight, and when the first trains of the day start up, around 4 a.m. on weekdays. (Those are end-of-the-line times; last-train times from individual stations may be later. For example, the latest SFO to Pittsburg/Bay Point train on a Saturday night leaves Embarcadero Station at 25 minutes past midnight, actually Sunday morning. Check the schedule for details.)

That short window of time without service is used for essential nightly track maintenance.  Unlike some public transit systems with multiple sets of tracks on the same routes, BART doesn't have the duplication that would allow us to run trains on one set while performing maintenance on another. Third-rail power has to be shut down for maintenance crews to be able to operate safely and do the work that keeps the system safe and reliable. And the trains can’t run when the power is down.

A little history: BART was never intended to be a 24-hour system. When cost projections were initially developed, the residents of the region who voted to approve BART supported a system that would have limited hours of operation. (In its early days, BART was even closed on weekends.) You can read more about BART's history in the History and Facts section of our website. BART does extend service for certain special occasions, such as New Year's Eve celebrations and some sporting events, when large late-night crowds are expected." 

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Alan Joseph Williams

@Josh, what about expanding BART service hours on each side of the bay? I know crossing is a big part of what people want, but there are plenty of commuters that travel only on the East Bay.

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Posted Jul 31, 2012
Krys
Krys
Sep 4, 2013

I think this makes sense, but in the case of overnight maintenance, I suspect there is no guarantee that they are able to designate any one or a few tracks available.

Posted by Krys on Sep 4, 2013
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Josh Levinger

Yeah, this isn't going to happen unless they dig a second transbay tube, and double track every line in BART. They need the overnight hours to perform system maintenance.

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Posted Jul 21, 2012
Krys
Krys
Sep 4, 2013

Exactly.

Posted by Krys on Sep 4, 2013
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IHeartOakland

BART needs to update their system before this can be considered. New cars are supposed to be coming in the next couple of years, right? Maybe this will help with the down-time and maybe at least run until 3am if they figure out a better maintenance system.

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Posted Jul 17, 2012
Andy
Andy
Aug 25, 2013

They must have read your comment last year. Check these out:

www.bart.gov/about/projects/ca...

www.mercurynews.com/ci_2370930...

Posted by Andy on Aug 25, 2013
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Sarah R Filley

It would benefit bars and restaurants on both sides of the Bay by running until 3pm.

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Posted Jul 9, 2012
Krys
Krys
Sep 4, 2013

3am :) hell yea!

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Joyce Williams

IF I can not depend on public transportation 24/7 then it is of limited use. To get people out of their cars----------------------- Public transport has to meet all of our needs.

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Posted Jul 3, 2012
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Bruce W

I like this idea a lot, but BART's argument against it is that track maintenance happens at night. NYC's system runs all night (I believe it's the only one in the country), but they have multi-tracking (express and local service) which allows them to schedule maintenance and still run trains.

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Posted Jun 26, 2012
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Fernando Ramirez

Yes please! I would love to be able to stay out late in SF and take the BART back instead of the bus.

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Posted Jun 21, 2012
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Victoria Bogdan

+1 million! Yes please! Can any of the resources being used to expand BART into the exurbs be used to make it more useful for dense urban areas?

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Posted Jun 21, 2012
Tom K.
Tom K.
Jul 26, 2013

This is a good question. Why is expansion of the system placed above creating a more useful system in the current service area?

Posted by Tom K. on Jul 26, 2013
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Chris Palmatier
Chris Palmatier proposed this resource for 24 hour BART in Oakland.
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worth noting: www.facebook.com/24bart have been banging away at this idea for a loooong time. folks who are on FB who are interested in 24hr BART (and BART policy in general) oughta give 'em a "like".

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Posted Jun 21, 2012
Andy
Andy
Aug 25, 2013

This is awesome, Chris. Thanks for sharing this info.

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