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Jeff Kirschner

42 neighbors want BART to have a dedicated bike car with no seats, no time restrictions, and available to all in San Francisco.

Jeff Kirschner
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Bridget
Alan Joseph Williams
Luke Bornheimer
Wilco
Adriana
Jonathan Yankovich
Eckhart Beatty
A. L. Pisani
Meli
Jeremy Shaw
alex choi
Stuart Collins
Justin Simonsen
Ellen Keith
Bruce Wolfe
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Tom K.

Not quite a full bike-specific car, but in case everyone hadn't heard you'll be able to take your bike on BART any time starting July 1 until December 1.

"Today’s BART decision is a momentous occasion. For years people on both sides of the Bay have had to contort their lives simply because they needed to take a bike on BART but couldn’t during commute times. We commend BART for taking the smart steps toward opening up regional travel by bike,' says Leah Shahum, Executive Director of the San Francisco Bicycle Coalition, which has worked alongside BART and the East Bay Bicycle Coalition for years to increase access for bicycles on BART."

www.sfbike.org/main/bart-remov...

Eckhart Beatty
Eckhart Beatty
Aug 21, 2015

What about those outside SF? CalTrain can do it, so ...

Posted by Eckhart Beatty on Aug 21, 2015
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Tom K.

IF YOU GO
What: Public viewing of half-car wooden mock-up of new BART train
When: 2 to 7 p.m. Tuesday-Friday
Where: Concourse of
MacArthur station in Oakland

FUTURE BART FLEET
How future BART cars will differ from the current model:
More handholds for shorter and mobility-impaired passengers
Ceiling over the middle aisles about 4 inches higher
Commuter sections at the ends of the train cars and open seating areas near the doors
Seats allow for roughly 10 percent more standing room in each train car
Vinyl seats for easier cleaning
Seats mounted higher off the floor
Bike racks
Passenger information systems
Three doors, which will use a technology that makes for a quieter ride, instead of two

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Jeff Kirschner

Thanks for the report Meli.
It appears as if there have been considerations around dedicated spaces, folding seats, and better signage.

To your point about public support, I've sent BART an email, offering them to join our conversation on Neighborland (I sent them a direct link). Perhaps they can field questions, offer rationale to their decisions, and inform us of future plans.

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Dan

Thanks Meli. What’s the process for making a recommendation to BART? Do they have a monthly meeting for straphanger input?

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Meli

Hi Jeff, it would be great to have a designated car to accommodate bikes during rush hour.
The BART Bicycle Plan reports that in focus groups, a dedicated bike car like those Caltrain offers, was a very popular idea. Unfortunately, it isn't part of BART's big train car upgrade. From the New Train Car Project FAQ on BARTs Website:
"Q: Is it viable to have dedicated bike cars in set locations on BART trains?
A: No, BART cars are continuously coupled and uncoupled in between runs throughout the day  Therefore, it is not possible to keep a “bike car” in a predictable position on a train…"

That said, if there's public support, we could make progress. Do dedicated bike cars exist in other cities? I googled it but can't find much. It'd be cool if just culturally, Bay Area residents decided that the last car was always the bike car.

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Jeff Kirschner

Hey A.L.,
I hear you. There's definitely not a lot of time to get on/off. That said, it's already happening. People are managing to bring their bikes on BART amidst a sea of non-bikers. I'd argue that by "segregating" those of us on bikes, the process may in fact be faster.

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A. L. Pisani

The issue with this though is that the amount of seconds BART doors are open is too short!

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