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The Overhead Wire

29 neighbors want BART to the Beach (subway under Geary) in San Francisco.

Ever since Muni ripped out the B, a replacement for the surface buses on Geary Blvd in San Francisco has been needed. This is one of the busiest bus lines in the city and is always packed like a sardine tin. Rapid transit under Geary would cut the commute time drastically and allow people outside of the Richmond without a car access to its culture. It will cost money, but it will be worth the investment.

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Meli
Bryan Salster
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dustystax
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Nicholas Josefowitz

Much of BART's core systems dates from the 1960s. Those systems have started to fail. Some, like our escalators, have failed. We can't keep maintaining 1960s kit, and expect it to function like new. Now is the time to take decisive action to rebuild BART's core systems from the ground up. It's what we know we need, and it's what the Bay Area is demanding.

Read my call to action in The San Francisco Examiner: www.sfexaminer.com/time-come-r...

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Posted Mar 30, 2016
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Tom K.

Don't call it 'BART to the beach' but a study is on the way!

sf.streetsblog.org/2014/12/01/...

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Posted Dec 1, 2014
The Overhead Wire
The Overhead Wire
Dec 1, 2014

Need to also think of tech other than BART like standard gauge so we can get Cap Corridor and Caltrain through to the East Bay

Posted by The Overhead Wire on Dec 1, 2014
Tom K.
Tom K.
Feb 20, 2015

Why would Caltrain need to expland to the East Bay? Wouldn't the BART connector to Silicon Valley from the East Bay and then transferring to Caltrain be more effective?

Posted by Tom K. on Feb 20, 2015
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Joseph Thomas

Actually, it should be a MUNI Metro line.

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Posted Nov 21, 2014
Joseph Thomas
Joseph Thomas
Nov 21, 2014

Cheaper initially perhaps, but (properly constructed) rail infrastructure lasts almost indefinately, and it could be automated, like the AirTrains.

Posted by Joseph Thomas on Nov 21, 2014
Tom K.
Tom K.
Nov 21, 2014

I think BRT would be great. My concern is that BRT plans are often watered down to the point where the system is pretty much a fancy bus.

Often, I'm faced with the choice of taking MUNI underground or an express bus (not far off from American BRT) and the underground experience is just so much faster and smoother.

Posted by Tom K. on Nov 21, 2014
John Nulty
John Nulty
Jan 29, 2015

The plan for Bart to Richmond District was sold to the city when we invested into BART system. The cost is more expensive and above ground. If we had more Federal dollars for transit that would help the BART system.

Posted by John Nulty on Jan 29, 2015
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Tom K.

Someone at the BRT town hall last night mentioned that tunnels had actually started construction under Geary in the 50s. Does anyone know if this is true?

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Posted Aug 1, 2013
Henry
Henry
Aug 2, 2013

Highly unlikely. What happened was, the tracks were removed, and there were plans in 1962, 1973, 1986, 1989, 1995, and 2003 (BRT plan) to bring Rapid Transit to Geary. Every one of them (except the BRT) has failed so far.

Posted by Henry on Aug 2, 2013
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Tom K.

This is a fantastic mock-up of a regional expansion of our subways:

twitter.com/NeighborlandSF/sta...

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Posted Jul 6, 2013
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dustystax

Can someone tell me why can't we just bring back the B with light rail/PCC trains cars?

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Posted Dec 27, 2012
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Tom K.

Meli, I think you're right that elevated rail would be a nightmare for lots of those neighbors. I'm something of a Chicagoan at heart :-)

Isn't one of the biggest problems with Geary (even with buses) the lack of frequency? I'm assuming the BRT vehicles will be able to carry more passengers, but I'd argue they need to be running pretty much every 2-3 minutes the entire day without lag.

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Posted Dec 21, 2012
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Meli

thanks for sharing Overhead Wire, these are great points of reference.
I have followed Peñalosa's advocacy and in his global city observations (as well as in Colombia where he cancelled the project) he has been clearly opposed to elevated networks. I wouldn't think Geary/SF would go for an elevated rail but what would happen if the subway BART or Muni connection did move forward, which seems like the long-term best solution.

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Posted Dec 18, 2012
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Tom K.

That is a great piece ^

It's seriously unfortunate nothing was done earlier along Geary. BRT is a pretty lightweight fix it seems.

Would elevated rail be an alternative to a subway? Just wondering if it'd be cheaper and faster to build...

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Posted Dec 17, 2012
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