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Luke Bornheimer

43 neighbors want the unused space in our transit stations to be used for something useful in San Francisco.

Luke Bornheimer
Suggested by Luke Bornheimer
Approximately 25% of BART and Muni station platforms are used, with the remaining 75% being empty and serving no purpose. I would love to see this space used for something useful, helpful or creative. I'm not sure what that would be, but it seems so silly to have so much space sitting there with no use whatsoever.

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Bridget
Christiaan Vorkink
Ben Blumenfeld
Kevin Lo
Micah Hilt
MG Siegler
Corey
Jonah Price
Jaclyn Le
Emily Marsh
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Meli
Brian
Daniel Schwartzbaum
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Clarence Wong

What the Muni stations need is a make over, and how much of it is need. Whether it Civic Center, Powell, Montgomery or the other stations. For starters it need nice décor to update it looks. IF they are going to do a make over, don't be afraid to be creative or have that 5-10% look and feel of what is a theme attraction. It could be enjoyable for people will wait for the street cars and not lifeless like some people say it is, and maybe a eye sore.

IF they need some reference guide for ideas look at some of the subway stations in Los Angeles, Burbank, monorail boarding stations at Las Vegas, Disneyland and Walt Disney World.

Some people said they want bench in the station, that might be good.

Examples of some nice bench ideas with links

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www.childrenplaygroundequipmen...

Also think about these words and terms. In fixing up any of the Muni stations. It might help.

-relax

-grand

-contemporary

-warm and inviting

-fresh

-nor lifeless or eye sore

-metro

-inspiration

-décor

-deco

-golden gate

-retro

-tech

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Frebe

I love how @Andy mentioned about "benches". How about, benches and food/snack stalls? That can be a nice waiting area, where you can sit, relax and allowed to eat.

Tyler
Tyler
Aug 7, 2013

How are there not even snack vendors? Doesn't almost every city in the world have food/drink options in their subways?

Posted by Tyler on Aug 7, 2013
Frebe
Frebe
Aug 9, 2013

@Tyler I think almost all the cities in the world...but not all. Haha! One time, in Singapore, I almost got fined. I didn't know that people are not allowed to eat on subways there. I think the fine was 500SGD. That's like about $300. Haha! But anyway, I sure am hoping that the "lifeless MUNI stations" will suddenly have life...just as @Tom said. :-)

Posted by Frebe on Aug 9, 2013
Tom K.
Tom K.
Aug 9, 2013

Whoa! A fine for eating on the subway. No wonder Singapore is so clean!

Posted by Tom K. on Aug 9, 2013
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Andy

I'd love to see "benches" put in those unused spaces.

www.mrwallpaper.com/Bench-Trai...

Tom K.
Tom K.
Aug 7, 2013

Those benches don't look very comfortable! What about soft seating or even movable chairs?

Posted by Tom K. on Aug 7, 2013
Andy
Andy
Aug 13, 2013

Should I change "bench" to "soft seat", Tom? Just kidding. I chose that picture for two reasons: it looks so dramatic and eye-catching; I rarely see soft seating in train stations. But your idea is brilliant, though.

Posted by Andy on Aug 13, 2013
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Tom K.

Not MUNI station related, but an idea for BART from the past: neighborland.com/ideas/sf-bart...

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Luke Bornheimer

Cool stuff, Tom! Thanks for sharing!

Ideally the space can be used and beautified, though I'm open to either one. What do you think are the most promising ideas for our stations?

Tom K.
Tom K.
Jun 28, 2013

Now these are how a subway stations should look! :) www.treehugger.com/sustainable...

Posted by Tom K. on Jun 28, 2013
Andy
Andy
Aug 13, 2013

Hmmm...these railway stations made my jaw drop: www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/jou...

Posted by Andy on Aug 13, 2013
Tom K.
Tom K.
Aug 13, 2013

Some good ones in there! Thanks for sharing.

Posted by Tom K. on Aug 13, 2013
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Tom K.

What if we just redesigned the look of the stations? Maybe it's not a space issue and just more of an issue of aesthetics?

Here's some inspiration I just saw on Curbed: curbed.com/archives/2013/01/08...

Here Now, 31 Photos of the World's Most Beautiful Metros

While there have been a few fine examples of commuter train cars bedecked in high design (like Ikea fabrics and Versailles garb),...

curbed.com/archives/2013/01/08...

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Dan

From Albert Poon on Quora - The platforms were designed to accommodate the 10-car BART trains that share those stations and use the lower level. Also, the Muni Metro, when it first began operating in 1980, ran three- and four-car trains which required the majority of the platform length. Lines exiting at West Portal (K, L, and M) were coupled together at West Portal and send back and forth through the subway. N and J trains were often coupled together for a run through the subway starting at Duboce. So, there was a time that much more of the platform was in active use.

Now, with the new train cars (four of the Breda cars wouldn't fit in the smaller Metro stations) and train control system that reduces headway between trains, more trains and shorter trains are run through the subway. Only one or two car trains operate now and that leaves a lot of seemingly unused platform.

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What would be a good use for the unused space in MUNI stations?

Answer (1 of 2): There are reasons Muni Metro platforms between Civic Center and Embarcadero Stations are so much longer than the Muni Metro trains operating through them.

The platforms were designed to accommodate the 10-car BART trains that share those stations and use the lower level. Also, ...

www.quora.com/permalink/agJNXDgFB

Dennis Hong
Dennis Hong
Sep 9, 2014

As starters, specificaly Powell St and Montgomery, I like the viynal graffic both floor and wall surfaces, it brings in added cash (?) to BART and Muni. but when it is removed.....who pays for to remove all that adhesive left on the walls and or surfaces - columns. The decals/stickers on the broken/out of service should be placed up there in a professional manner. it looks like it was placed up there in a bit of haste. The empty and boarded up kiosk/s in the stations sholud be cleaned up. The partitons/barricades are either damaged or unsightly. These empty kiosks can be used for news stands, small vendors for quick snacks, no liquids, besides they are not allowed on the trains. Excuse me, but the out or order sticker/decals are placed in a position that shows the staff's unprofessional work ethics. Sorry.....

Posted by Dennis Hong on Sep 9, 2014
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Luke Bornheimer

For what it's worth, I posted this as a question on Quora in the hopes that some ideas pop up there: qr.ae/8UWW0

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Dan

UP is focused on 5th Street and didn't include MUNI stations as an option for projects. I ended up joining the Lemonopoly team which is prototyping fruit tree seedling growth on fences. I'll keep you updated on the public fruit tree thread - neighborland.com/ideas/sf-publ...

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